"We had a strong independent female"

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"We had a strong independent female" is an excuse made to dismiss criticism on Mary Sue characters.


It is well known that most female characters are shown as weak back in the 1960s and earlier before the gender equality movement became more common. It was not until the late 20th centery that this problem is now fixed. However as SJWs came into the picture, they started to make a female character that is a Mary Sue or a propaganda type character. Just because you made a strong and powerful female character does not mean you had to make them bland, overpowered, and a tool.

Often when a strong female character ends up being criticized for ether poor writing, being sexist to the male audience, being a Mary Sue or even there to promote an ideology and nothing else, some people might use the "We had a strong independent female" as an excuse for doing so. Saying that statement shouldn't be a good enough excuse for making low-quality and effortless strong female characters in general. This excuse also treats its audience like they are unintelligent beings or idiots with no real taste, which isn't true. In fact critically acclaimed trilogies like Star Wars have had worse off sequels because they try hard to be "politically correct".

Even if a strong female character is mostly aimed at female audiences, male audiences may also be interested in this character as well. There are many examples of this, but the most well known one are Ochaco Uraraka, Amethyst, Lyn, Raven, and Spinel, just to name few. The aforementioned characters are for female audiences, yet they have enough substance and real effort put in to be relatable and entertaining for male audience and don't pander towards feminists.

There is no excuse for making a strong female character poorly written just because you want to pander to SJWs.

Examples of a poorly written strong female character

Examples of a well written strong female character

  • Ahsoka Tano (Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: Rebels, and The Mandalorian)
  • Aigis (Persona 3)
  • Alita (2019 film and anime)
  • Amethyst (Steven Universe)
  • Arriety
  • Arya Stark
  • Asajj Ventress (Star Wars: The Clone Wars)
  • Barbara Gordon (pre-New 52)
  • Black Widow
  • Blaze the Cat
  • Blossom (1998)
  • Bubbles (1998)
  • Buffy Summers
  • Buttercup (1998)
  • Cameron Phillips (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
  • Cara Dune
  • Cassandra Cain
  • Cathy Gale
  • Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)
  • Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
  • Clare Carroll (The Nightingale)
  • Daenerys Targaryen (Seasons 1-7)
  • Dana Scully
  • Elektra
  • Ellen Ripley
  • Sam Puckett
  • Ellie (The Last of Us)
  • Emma Peel
  • Evelyn Salt
  • Fa Mulan (1998)
  • Fiona (Shrek)
  • Ginger Foutley
  • Hinata Hyuga
  • Homura Akemi (Puella Magi Madoka Magica)
  • Imperator Furiosa
  • Jessica Jones
  • Joanna Dark
  • Jyn Erso
  • Kameo (Kameo: Elements of Power)
  • Kanade Tachibana (Angel Beats!)
  • Kim Possible (2002-2007 animated series)
  • Korra (The Legend of Korra)
  • Lady (Devil May Cry)
  • Lara Croft
  • Leia Organa (Star Wars Original Trilogy)
  • Lisa Landry (Sister, Sister)
  • Lyn (Fire Emblem)
  • Major Motoko Kusanagi
  • Marion Ravenwood
  • Mikasa Ackerman (Attack on Titan)
  • Nausicaa
  • Nya (Ninjago)
  • Ochaco Uraraka
  • Padme Amidala
  • Peggy Carter
  • Penny Proud
  • P.I.X.A.L. (Ninjago)
  • Raven (Teen Titans (2003-2005))
  • Red Sonja
  • Rukia Kuchiki (Bleach)
  • Samus Aran
  • Sandy Cheeks
  • Sarah Connor (pre-Dark Fate)
  • Scarlet Witch
  • Schwi Dola (No Game No Life: Zero)
  • Sergeant Calhoun
  • Seven of Nine (Voyager)
  • She-Ra (Original)
  • Skylor Chen (Ninjago)
  • Sonya Blade (Mortal Kombat)
  • Spinel
  • Starfire (Teen Titans (2003-2005))
  • Stephanie Brown
  • Supergirl (DC Comics)
  • Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy)
  • Touka Kirishima (Tokyo Ghoul)
  • Trish (Devil May Cry)
  • Wonder Woman
  • Wyldstyle (The Lego Movie)
  • Xena
  • Yuri Nakamura (Angel Beats!)




4 months ago
Score 5
I had made this page because I really hate this excuse. This excuse is made just to defend badly written characters like Ray.

The Adaptation Expert

3 months ago
Score 4

While I respect on why we can't list any characters here, I just like to vent my anger on recently bad female characters replacing real male characters on this comment section:

-Jasmine (2017 film)- Naomi Scott may have made an excellent performance but for me, Aladdin felt more like a cashgrab Disney Princess movie that panderizes Jasmine for a feminist Muslim community. I feel so sad that the film ruined Jafar, who happened to be one of my fave Disney Villains & Iago, whom I envisioned to be like Waddlesworth from 102 Dalmatians & Paulie in live action form.

-Dani Ramos- As a John Connor fan, I fucking hate this bitch. She's just like the spinosaurus from JP3 but much more worse.

-Ironheart- I knew less of her but I do respect the hate she is getting.

-Mia Sutton- Trash Note's bad SJW attempt to make a female Kira using a whitewashed Misa Amane but failed miserably.

No offense but to be exact, most of the badly made feminist reboots felt too similar to those misogynic ntr rape hentai I formerly watched & loathed a lot. The writers are just doing the exact same thing those rape hentais are writing except the girl's more powerful instead & less pornographic content. I'm a hentai fan so I know this kind of crappy plot & it's no different to those misogynic hentai at all.


3 months ago
Score 1
Anyone think we should put some examples on here?


2 months ago
Score 2
I had added examples for this page so you can add what is a well written strong female character and a poorly written strong female character.


2 months ago
Score 6
Strong Female Leads need to develop, not start out as one

Obi-Wan Skywalker86

2 months ago
Score 1
Do we have any Fighting Game character examples?

XXSeph MySpaceXx

one month ago
Score 3
I really wish that when it came to making strong female characters, people would take notes from the good examples.

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