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Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

We have talked about this, but I've decided that Frank qualifies on this wiki. If you read that page before deleting it, it all adds up. Aside from his determination, Frank does not come off as the realistic every day person the writers intended him to be, and instead comes off as another Megward the Wizard.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

And I decided that he doesn't. The pointers you wrote in that page kind of proves that you seem pretty judgmental in how characters think and what they do, regardless if many others think otherwise, and you also must be pretty used to Homer Simpson to make Frank Grimes out to be a villain like this. And on a related note, Paul can't really be here either. He's possibly Ash's most well written rival to date.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

I've already agreed on the whole Paul thing, but I'm not certain about Frank. Listen, Homer's not really any better in that episode, but Frank's still no better. I'm not trying to write Frank out as a villain. I just disagree with him being labelled as the realistic everyday character. If you really think Frank is a realistic and sympathetic character, then tell me why I'm wrong.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

I already did tell you a while ago, but I'll elaborate slightly. What makes him a better character than you think is that he's so different from every character in the show. No matter how his behavior affects you in the show, he's almost like a douchy "straight man". It's understandable that he would get so frustrated by the weird way Springfield works and how Homer just gets away with everything, since he was intentionally written as a completely regular hard-working human who got trapped in the Simpsons universe and knows naught of what happens there. You can't help but feel sorry for him because his perfectionist attitude and his background doesn't fit in Springfield at all, therefore someone like him is going to be overwhelmed by how loose Springfield is, and it's actually funny when he finally snaps but accidentally kills himself. He's not a perfect character, but he's not loathsome.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

What Frank goes through in that episode isn't really unlike most Simpsons episodes. There have been a lot of episodes where characters have had to put up with Homer's incompetence and idiocy, and have gotten annoyed and fed up in the process.

You are right about how someone who's intended to be portrayed as realistic like Frank is would be frustrated and rant on about how weird everything is around him. However, what takes away from him being realistic in that position is that instead of letting it go and finding somewhere else to work, he goes crazy and starts acting like a fool to mock Homer. A realistic person would just simply move on and accept reconciliation. The reason Frank refused to accept Homer and let it go is because his miserable life made him turn out arrogant and resentful. It has nothing to do with realism.

His background is actually about as absurd as everything else that's absurd in The Simpsons. For example, his miserable life. Frank is a character who was abandoned by his parents as a child, he could never go to school, had to spend his childhood working as a delivery boy who presented gifts to wealthy and loving families, got severely injured in a silo accident on his eighteenth birthday, and he ended up receiving his degree in nuclear physics at age thirty five by mail. His miserable life is too exaggerated to be seen as realistic.

The only realistic character trait that Frank has is his determination, which is a noble trait. But his bitterness and arrogance that appears in halfway through the episode overshadows his determination, that it leaves Frank unsympathetic.

What also makes Frank unrealistic is his childish bitterness towards Homer. Any real person would look past a person's flaws and see a person is still a nice guy. Frank could have just took some time to get to know Homer, and maybe even try to help him improve his job or something, which would end up making Frank more realistic. But instead, Frank choses to be jealous of Homer, saying he doesn't deserve what he has in front of his own family.

If you actually take a look at Homer's background through more than just this episode, Homer's life is a little similar to Frank's. But what makes Homer stand above Frank is his optimism and his goal to do whatever it takes to not let people down. Which is a very relatable trait.

I suppose Frank may not be a terrible character, but he's not a realistic character. If you took out his miserable life, kept his determination, made him more friendlier and sensitive, give him something that his hard work could stand for, and also made him accept Homer and try to help him and be his friend, Frank would have actually be the realistic everyday person the episode was trying to portray him as.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

The reason why Frank snaps like that is exaggerated dark writing if anything.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Well, I know how to settle this. Frank shouldn't be on any wiki.