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Enforcing some new rules

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Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Since I'm not sure how to make a proper blog post since it isn't enlisted in the tools, I will announce on this user talk that I'm enforcing some new rules that'll improve this wiki.

Pages will not be authorized if the character is just mean. Sometimes mean characters are needed to move the story along, and it's not enough for them to be just unlikable to be on this wiki. If they're on this wiki, they need to be poorly written or to just suck, like The Storm King or SpongeBob during the flanderization era.

Now that brings me to my next point. Which is something that never really changed. Preschool characters aren't allowed. Caillou and MLP characters are the only exception.

And finally, no anonymous users. You will now need to be logged in to join this wiki. Apologies.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

That's what I'm trying to say about Ernesto de la Cruz! He's not poorly-written. Also, can Popoy stay on the wiki? He's a pervert who repeatedly sexually dances and tells the viewer to give him their "little thing", his voice changes from time to time (which is creepy), his song is famous just because of a viral dance, and the concept of the song is stupid and makes no sense.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

In the case of video game characters, I think they could also be here if they're lazily made or their existance is unnecessary and just an annoyance.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

So like Bubsy. Yes. Think Jet the Hawk could be on this wiki?

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Jet's not really much of a necessary character. He only exists just to be a rival for Sonic in those Riders games. His voice is very annoying, as Jason Griffith uses his Usopp voice from 4Kids's dub of One Piece. His cockiness and narcissism pretty much takes up his whole personality, he has zero respect for his opponents, and views them as losers if he beats them.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

With that I mean: would the game be better if he was entirely wiped out from it, without any replacements to his character?

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Well, I know a lot of fans that can't stand Jet, and wiping him along with the rest of the Babylon Rogues would cut the unnecessary mean-spiritedness from the game, and he doesn't even develop as a character in the next games. I also forgot to mention that he sometimes cheats.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

Yeah, but them how would the story of the game be like? He sounds like a case of "necessary for plot to move forwards".

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

The game would probably be kind of different, but it would most likely still proceed without Jet because it's not like Jet is the only character who could rival Sonic, and push the game forward.

Now aside from being unnecessary, Jet is not even really that interesting. Just another one of those poor sport rivals that hates losing and treats their opponents like crap, while only caring about the prize than having fun.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

Now THAT'S something that could get him a page.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Cool. Then it's settled.

I know one poor sport character that definitely does not deserve a page on here: Seto Freaking Kaiba. His character qualities definitely fit the Great Characters Wiki.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

What about the Sonic characters?

And Matthew, I was thinking of putting Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic SatAM) on here. I know you already deleted that page back on the FANDOM, but I think we should settle that decision with the new rules now being inforced.

Any new ideas I could help create?

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

I still don't agree.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Can you tell me why?

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

From what I've seen, he seems to act more or less the same as his other incarnations.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Not really. The current Modern Sonic is kind of like this Sonic, but he's more tolerable. This Sonic is annoying, and he's not really the best portrayal of the character. He speaks in grating 90's slang, has an unnecessary catchphrase that would give "Puppy Power" a run for its money. His voice performance is poor compared to the other Sonic's, except for the one in Sonic OVA. He is the most dysfunctional and arrogant member of the Freedom Fighters, who's dialogue is mostly talking about how awesome he is, and he frequently endangers his team due to his cockiness.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

He also tries to come as a cool and rad, but he just comes off as a dork.

ChroniclesXII (talkcontribs)

Why? It can depend when it comes to preschool characters. Don't tell me you did this because Thomas is on the ORIGINAL Great Characters wiki. Though to be fair about Francis, I honestly found him funny, but I had to put Nihilego on there because that thing was just really creepy a la Voldo from Soul Calibur.

SpaceProtagonist (talkcontribs)

I'm confused, I really think Chi Fu should be on the wiki.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

If we can put Chi Fu, we can put every villain ever, and then the wiki would just become a poor man's Villains Wiki.

SpaceProtagonist (talkcontribs)

He's not a villain, besides you let Achmed stay on the wiki.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

"Chi-Fu is a major antagonist in Disney's 1998 animated feature film Mulan"

SpaceProtagonist (talkcontribs)

There's a difference between being an actual villain, and just being an antagonist.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

Ordering a death penalty on the main character doesn't make him a villain?

SpaceProtagonist (talkcontribs)

That's nothing compared to Shan Yu and the Huns' actions. And Chi Fu was willing to sentence Mulan to death, even after she saved China from the Huns refusing to see to the good in her or any of the soldiers. Also, he had little-to no helping roles in the film to stop the Huns. He's mainly there to pick on the protagonists, even if he did get worse towards the end.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

Matthew, can you put back Darth Maul's page? I was going to give him the "poorly written characters" category because he's terribly executed, he was defeated way too early (which is unacceptable because he had some potential to be a great villain), and his cameo in Solo is pointless and supposedly just for fan service (as he stands up, force pulls his saber, and ignites his blades before turning them off, which is supposedly for fan service).

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

What exactly makes him "terribly executed"?

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)
  • He has absolutely no character development at all not counting the extra EU stuff that is no longer canon.
  • He is literally a generic evil looking guy that could be replaced by anyone. Jar Jar and Rose Tico are more likable than him.
  • He's not even a good Sith, as he got defeated by a Padawan.
Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

1. Because he has a major apperance in exactly one movie?

2. So the average guy has a face painted red and black, horns, and a double-edged lightsaber? Also, no shit he's unlikable, that's what a villain is supposed to be.

3. So Emperor Palpatine is a also a terrible character, since the headquarters of his empire were destroyed by a bunch of backwater rebels.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)
  1. (facepalm) If you take out the EU, The Clone Wars, and Rebels from the main story and focus on the movies only, you will see that Darth Maul was very underdeveloped.
  2. Darth Maul is the first character in Star Wars to have a face painted red and black, horns, and a double-edged lightsaber at the time. Also, there's a lot of likable villains, like Bowser, King K. Rool, etc.
  3. Darth Maul's not a good Sith because he can be easily defeated. Palpatine was really hard to defeat (and throwing him into a bottemless pit costed Vader his own life due to force lightning). Also, there's a video explaining that only three characters in the Star Wars universe can defeat Palpatine. (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSYTgIxEKTg)
Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

1. Once again, he appeared in ONE movie. Tell me what makes Palpatine such an amazing and unforgettable villain.

2. You're just confirming my thesis that he isn't generic. Bowser and K. Rool can't be compared to him at all since they come from goddamn Mario games.

3. So can Palpatine's entire empire, which makes him an even worse character. Did you even read what I said?

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Sounds like poor execution and an early defeat is all you got.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

As well as being pointlessly brought back into The Clone Wars and then Rebels, supposedly just for fan service, and also having a dangerous double-bladed lightsaber that might hurt him. He also has no personality at all, unlike Vader and Palpatine.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

Are you fucking serious about the "dangerous lightsaber"?

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Yeah, seriously? He's a villain with a weapon, not a kid with scissors.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

Same with Kylo Ren.

Mar9122 (talkcontribs)

That's not fair.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

What isn't fair?

Mar9122 (talkcontribs)

Banning unlogged users.

EDIT: Plus, removing mean characters.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

Unlogged users are good for nothing. If they're too lazy to create an account, they're probably too lazy to create a decent page.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

And removing mean characters? Seriously? THAT'S unfair? If they move the plot along and they're not badly written, they don't really belong on a wiki about bad characters.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

For what my opinion is worth, I like these new rules overall. I just wonder why Caillou and MPL make an exception.

Anyway, I noticed you may need to do new blog posts on this wiki so I enabled them, I thought I already enabled them the last year but whatever, probably missed something during our mass-exodus from FANDOM.

I also disabled anons, it will be a lot more efficient than searching for them and blocking them individually.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

That's why I was asking about how to disable anons.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

And now you know how to do it in case they switch on again like it happened the last year.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I see. I just can't help but disable anons if I see a wiki where they are still allowed.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

That actually helps a lot, you have my thanks. I guess the reasons why MLP and Caillou are exceptions is mostly personal, because MLP is one of the only preschool shows I think can be taken seriously as a show in terms of criticism, despite the fact that there was actually an "attack the critics" episode. Originally I allowed Caillou to be here because the freedom of being in charge of my own wiki sort of got to me, but still allow him, along with other possible characters from the show to be here as a statement about how certain preschool shows like Caillou can damage a child's mind, in the least soccermom-esque way possible.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I don't think it is possible to do that without sounding like a soccer mom but maybe someone will prove me wrong. I just think there is not a lot to say about these characters, not enough to fill a decent article.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Well Caillou is already on here, but I need to chisel the page a little because some other users tampered with it to sound hateful. I do think it's possibly to make statements about the effects of certain preschool shows without sounding like a soccer mom because like Jeff said to a Mr Enter-hating vandal, certain bad cartoons can have negative mental effects on people, which related more to Family Guy at the time but also relates to shows that teach very medicore and downright damaging lessons to children like Teen Titans Go!. So I used this wiki to talk about Caillou and this very topic, since he's reasonably considered a very negative role model to 4-year-olds and older, especially since he acts 2 rather than 4.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

That page has a lot of rumors and also a fan theory as WIS pointers, basically stuff that viewers produce in their minds and not something actually contained in the show or traits the character showed, though.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

Alright, I think this wiki is fine now. Are you okay if I demote myself?

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

Demote yourself? Why?

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

His admin job was only temporary.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

The reason I'm here is because Matthematic wanted help on the administration.

Thinking again, never mind that, I guess I'll stick around for longer.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Actually Goon, I've gathered up some pages I thought might be candidates for deletion but I need a second opinion from an admin.

Emperor of Demise - SpaceProtagonist-esque hate page that doesn't seem to understand the concept of what a good truly evil villain is. It's also got Chronicles' logic of calling a character "scary", therefore they're a bad character. Then again, I never watched the show and he might actually be a bad villain, but the page is just poorly written.

All of Ben Tennysons ("And Then There Were None" and "And Then There Was Ben" (Ben 10 Omniverse)) - Though it became quite an attraction on this wiki back on FANDOM, some of the character sections on that page have way too little reasons and it generally sounds way too informal and hateful, of course do to it being created by America's favorite wiki hater, Pinky.

King (Deltarune) - Although I never played the game, this all seems like something a normal villain would actually do. In fact, I don't think the game would even work without him.

Freddy Fazbear - Similar to Emperor of Demise, it just hates on what the character does, failing to understand that Fazbear is a villain and nothing he does deems him as a "bad character".

Fred Jones (Samster5677's Goanimate Scooby Doo Series) - A damn GoAnimate character.

Kevin, Bob, and Stuart (Minions (2015)) - There's something about this page that just seems...messy to me. At first, some contributing users couldn't even decide if they wanted to base the page off the minions in the 2015 film or the minions in general.

I also want to mention that there was an edit war over the Peter Griffin title. Jeff and some other users couldn't agree on which season Peter Griffin's character started to degrade, but an anon made a compromise and titled the page "Peter Griffin (Modern)", exactly like the Homer Simpson page. Good compromise, too bad he decided to be anonymous.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

These are good reason to delete a page to me, especially considering you are the boss here.

Vague statements like with the Minions page and hate pages are a good reason for deletion. Fan-made characters shouldn't be allowed on this wiki, like that GoAnimate character you mentioned.

I also want to tell you that now that the rules have been refined, I will be able to contribute more to the quality control of this wiki. I must confess that I didn't know what to do before as the standards for the articles were unclear to me.

Now that the situation changed I will be happy to enforce these new rules you decided, as long as Miraheze allows me to log-in >_<

Also, maybe you should write a proper blog post with these new rules and post a link to it on the main page. It would also help us to test the blog function; functions here on MIraheze can act a little weird sometimes and we need to see if it properly works, you see.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Well I already updated the main page with the new rules, but I guess I can test the blog function for you.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Well, if the rules are already on the main page, we could just make a test blog that can be later deleted.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

It doesn't work, creating a blog post gives you a database error.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Oh. Is that fixable?

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

We must contact Miraheze staff. I already know how to do it, I lost count of how many times I did that. I will try to do it immediately.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

The blogs are fixed, should we post a link to create new blogs on the left sidebar of the wiki?

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I don't see why not.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Now the sidebar has the same options of the other wikis.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

I can vouch for that. Your service is necessary.

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Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

I saw that comment before you hid it, Rio. From what I know, you're completely new to this wiki, but I wouldn't fudge a wiki's rules to my own personal liking, especially since there are other fellow admins and users who aren't complaining. There are honest reasons why I enforced these rules which you would know if you actually read them, and hell I'm not even the first one who came up with them. BTW, you horribly misused the meaning of the word "Gary-Stu". I don't even know why people use fictional tropes to describe real life people.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Well said, Matt.

Se (talkcontribs)

Okay, first of all, one, I reverted the Brian Griffin page because he only had some unlikeable moments, not a lot! Second, you do have an impressive memory, but still. Third, at least you didn’t use Brian’s death because that was definitely not a redeeming quality, expect it is for some people. Edit: Matthew, no need to reply.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

No, he's had a lot of unlikable moments.

Se (talkcontribs)

You could at least list the unlikeable moments Brian had, because I don’t know the rest of his unlikable moments. Also, I prefer Brian than Eric Cartman.

Rio Kafia (talkcontribs)

Suggestion: Blocking unlogged users for no reason? Can you just make these unprotected articles only to be edited by the logged in? And same goes for creating articles.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

That's exactly what we did.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

I just assumed Rio meant literally changing the editing options of each and every article.

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

"For no reason" Did you not read what Unnamedgoon said? Plus, protecting articles from the unlogged and taking article creation privileges from unlogged users would be unnecessarily time consuming.