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Brownie the Quincy Elf (talkcontribs)

Honestly it should be written do not add anything related to their Voice actor/actor as a bad quality Voice actor/actor has 0 effect on the character.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Okay, I'll elaborate on that rule. I will, however, add that a voice actor's performance is allowed as a quality, but not what they did outside of voice acting such as politics and the like.

I have a suggestion of a new rule I might add.

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SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Months ago, Nina Brownie Einstein the Quincy Elf made some warnings on the pages on Great Characters Wiki saying "NOTE: Do not add the fact that x characters's english voice actor is a KickVic supporter as a bad quality. A voice actor doesn't effect the character.", despite the fact that not a single user added that bad quality in any of the pages there, so I took them down, and told Nina that the Characters Wikis should have a rule against adding a KickVic supporter as a bad quality. Who else agrees to this suggestion?

Portrock1566 (talkcontribs)

Seems alright.

Obi-Wan Skywalker86 (talkcontribs)

Looks fine to me. Also don't forget about some Amber Heard supports (If they had voice actors in this group) as well.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

All right, then, it's settled. Time I added that rule right now.

AttackerAngel85 (talkcontribs)

Shouldn't we have just be a keeping the character and the actor thing separate in general thing?

Unless the bad quality is the actor does a bad job of acting or voicing the character.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

If a voice actor has done a good or bad job performing his/her role of a character, then that can be added as a good/bad quality.

However, if a voice actor has done something outside voice acting, like support political stuff or sexual harrassmemt, then that cannot be added as a bad quality, because none of that's the fault of a character.

Should Peter Griffin be changed to an Average character.

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IloveCorgi8 (talkcontribs)

He isn't as bad as he used to. So should we move him to the Average character's categories. and change his Why he sucks and reedeming qualities to Bad qualities and Good qualities

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

If there are enough redeeming qualities to justify an "Average Characters" category, then go ahead.

IloveCorgi8 (talkcontribs)

there is

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

All right then, go ahead and add the page to the Average category and change the Why It Sucks and Redeeming Qualities to Bad Qualities and Good Qualities.

IloveCorgi8 (talkcontribs)

I did

You know what? I've had enough of this wiki.

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SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Lack of communication from admins, flame wars, poorly written pages that are just personal opinions which haven't been deleted yet, despite be candidates for deletion... yeah, this wiki has really been going to shit lately. I even volunteered to become a new admin here, but not a single admin responded, because... well, you know. I'm done here and I'll be focused on other Reception Wikis, instead.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

UPDATE: I'm back, now that I'm an admin here.

Yardman2001 (talkcontribs)

Any users please come help me edit the Gosei page

Dogleader (talkcontribs)

Speaking of page, are Sandbox pages official for this Wiki?

Yardman2001 (talkcontribs)

I’m not too sure ask an admin

Dogleader (talkcontribs)

Is the Baby Goron from The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask a good option for this Wiki?

The topic creation on Great Characters Wiki is still broken.

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SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

It's been two weeks since the discussion tab on that wiki stopped working and it hasn't been fixed yet. Portrock tried to fix it, but he couldn't for some reason. Does that mean that the topic creation on Great Characters Wiki is broken beyond repair?

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Hello? Is anyone gonna respond?

Mrkepo (talkcontribs)

Yes but i wanna talk because i think i was to harsh on Larryding there

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Well, at least, you can still make blogs for certain discussions. I think I'll talk to the admins there to at have them see if they can try again at fixing the topic creation there.

Mrkepo (talkcontribs)

Really? Wow I didn't think about that yet...

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

In the meantime, I'll keep testing creating a topic there to see if it works again.

Gorby (talkcontribs)

Yeah the wiki needs to be fixed and so does this one too.

SpaceProtagonist (talkcontribs)

Okay, so as long as you guys are here, I'd like to talk to you about the FANDOM version of the Great Characters Wiki. Right now, I'm constantly trying to fight back against some user named The Harimau who constantly makes unhelpful edits to existing pages, and his new pages aren't even close to being detailed enough for the wiki. Plus, I can't remember the last time that wiki's had proper admin-ship to guard the wiki.

Just so you know what I'm up against, here's an example of an edit he's made.

Please help me deal with this guy.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

I don't have a FANDOM account, but why not try asking an admin there for help?

SpaceProtagonist (talkcontribs)

Okay, I've tried going to an Admin for help, but there aren't any that are currently active on the FANDOM, just a handful of remaining, dedicated workers (like me) and Harimau. I'm just praying he doesn't have any malicious intentions. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

...you do know that this is a topic about an issue going on in Miraheze, not FANDOM, right?

Let's talk about Pink Diamond

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Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

She's already on Great Characters Wiki FANDOM, mostly as Rose Quartz. But for the wrong reasons. Should she be on the goodie wiki or this baddie wiki?

Now for those of you who know all about Pink Diamond's nature, you would say that I'm absolutely mad just for asking this question and she should be held on this wiki without bail. And I would understand. Pink is selfish, unsympathetic, immature and left her teenage son to deal with all of the problems she left alone, and it's been showing even before it was revealed that Rose is Pink. Even as a "hero", she was irresponsible, and the lies she told the gems left them almost mentally broken as soon as they found out, along with abandoning Spinel for 6,000 years just to play in her new colony. Because of what she's done, she's believed to have caused the war.

But, since even Rebecca Sugar stated that Pink Diamond is pretty much bad news, we can classify her as a villain. She may not be an enjoyable villain, but she might be one of the first completely genuine villains we've had. Villains, or at least antagonists, pose a challenge for the main character. Through all of the gems the main characters have battled, poofed, bubbled and saved, the biggest challenge the Crystal Gems faced was trauma and grief. And realistically, the source of their trauma and grief was Pink Diamond. Think about it, when you rewatch the show you'll realize that almost every wall the gems came up against was Pink's fault. So now instead of looking up to her, the Crystal Gems, including the fans, have a certain distaste for her. But what if that's a good thing? Since almost everything is Pink's fault, her irresponsible, heartless deeds were holding the entire show together. And when villains go on this wiki, it's because they're bad villains. You don't hate Pink Diamond because she's a bad villain. You hate Pink Diamond because she's a bad person. Which they acknowledge in the show. Which means Pink Diamond has done an even better job at being a villain than Yellow, Blue and White all fused together, just because of how horrible she actually is.

Rose isn't a hero anymore, she is an official villain. Her actions made you despise her, and the show knows it. As you've noticed, almost every video that critiques Pink critiques her as a person, not even as a fictional character. Because what Pink did was even more personal than dictators overcome with grief, since they were even a victim to Pink. It seems almost too realistic. Pink Diamond..is the most effective villain we might have ever seen on Cartoon Network, which is something worthy of TWO of the Great Characters Wikis.

But this might be a controversial choice. We can talk about it if you want.

Caulipower (talkcontribs)

IDK, She did abondon Spinel. (I watched the Steven Universe Movie)

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

I actually addressed that in my speech.

Jeff35122 (talkcontribs)

It's very descriptive and does make a point, but I don't know if Pink Diamond is a villain. I know she's done things that were unforgivable, but she had good intentions and didn't like the colonies that the Diamonds created. She faked her shattering to take on a fake identity as Rose Quartz, and Rose Quartz being said as the Gem that shattered Pink Diamond was what caused the war against Gems and Diamonds. Her acts weren't really much as villainous acts, but more like mistakes that made a lot of Gems suffer because she was against the Diamonds' way of their colonies.

Caulipower (talkcontribs)

It is safe to assume that Pink Diamond is the real villian, and I wonder what would happen if she gets revived.

KP619 (talkcontribs)

I don't care if Pink Diamond is a villain or not, she did the right thing for Earth. Still, I don't even understand why people look at Steven Universe as "good vs evil", I think it either gray or just badly-written morality. That's why I made a page about Blue Diamond to criticize her morals

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

Well classifying Steven Universe characters as heroes and villains is genuinely good for the sake of this wiki and criticism purposes just because people used to put villains and antagonists on this wiki just because "wahh they're mean and they did bad things". That's why even if Pink Diamond did horrible things, I'd still be skeptical in putting her on this wiki if she's officially classified as a villain, especially since her backwards morality is something I see pretty realistic which I already explained.

KP619 (talkcontribs)

Feh! Best for me to not question more about morality sake and keep my opinions entitled as possible. For now, I should be watching the movie version to find more question!

Matthew The Guy (talkcontribs)

You haven't watched the movie? The movie is pretty much one of the reasons why the SU fanbase is turning on Pink altogether.

KP619 (talkcontribs)

Just don't spoil on me so I can have my own experience.

Cecilia1945 (talkcontribs)

MAJOR SPOILERS Pink Diamond is a complete monster, and that goes for MUCH more things she did than abandoning Spinel. Don't get me wrong, that made me absolutely LOATHE her, but even before that, she was still a complete, and utter, VILLAIN (yes, I said it). Think about it. I mean, really think about it. She never started off as someone who believed that everyone deserves freedom and fought an oppressive empire, she was ONE of those oppressive overlords who kept on pestering her older sisters for a colony because since she was a Diamond, she was "entitled" to it. And then, she decided to trash it because she DIDN'T WANT IT ANYMORE!!! And before you start telling me "Oh, she wanted to save the world", don't. Cause even if she did, she did it in such a horrible way, it just put Earth in more danger, if anything. She was started a war that resulted in thousands of HER PEOPLE fighting and killing each other, and Pink was COMPLETELY OK with watching them do that. Then, she faked her shattering, and don't give me the "Oh, she was escaping her abusers!", cause A: That isn't even CLOSE to why she did that. She did it because she wanted to escape her duties as a Diamond so she could stay on Earth with the Funny Humans (and speaking of the humans, remember when she laughed in Greg's face when he tried to fuse with her? That proves that she just thought of humans like pets! She liked them, but didn't respect them. So she's the EQUIVALENT OF THE OTHER DIAMONDS!). And B: She knew the Diamonds better than everyone, so she knew perfectly well what they're reaction would be if she was shattered. Oh, and remember the Off Colors? The defective gems forced into hiding because then they'd be shattered? If she was REALLY the wise and loving leader we thought she was, she would've at least tried to save them. But no, she didn't because she DIDN'T THINK IT WAS HER PROBLEM!!!!!!!! Remember when Steven said she hurt everyone even if she didn't want to? Well, whether intentional or not, she DID HURT EVERYONE!!!!!! She hurt Pearl by forcing her to keep her secret and bottle up her emotions (and considering she was in a romantic relationship with her MASTER despite that, doubles as emotional abuse), she hurt Greg by leaving him alone to take care of their son, she hurt Amethyst by not bothering to even TRY to help her with her insecurities, she hurt the other Diamonds by traumatizing them with her fake death, she hurt Bismuth by bubbling her in Lion's mane for wanting to shatter gems (something SHE had been tricking her OWN PEOPLE into doing without caring in the slightest), she hurt Lapis by getting her trapped in to mirror for hundreds of years, and she hurt Steven by dumping everything she did on him. And don't tell me "She's just flawed, and that makes her more human and interesting", or "It's the other Diamonds' Fault, cause they never taught her kindness, just meaness!" Because there's a BIG difference between being flawed, and being A TOTAL MONSTER!!!!! Everyone makes mistakes, but the things Pink Diamond did are much more than mistakes. And, your decisions in life are your own. No one is accountable for what YOU do, only YOU. So don't tell me it's Yellow, Blue, and White's fault, cause it simply, isn't, true. I could go on, but I think you get my point: Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz, was a manipulative, remorseless, egotistical brat, that people NEED to stop defending, because she did absolutely NOTHING to deserve it. And you know the worst part, SHE'LL NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HER ACTIONS, BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, SHE GAVE UP HER FORM TO DUMP EVERYTHING ON STEVEN!!!!! For further detail, I'd recommend checking out MisAnthro Pony's video The Fall Of Steven Universe: How It Fell From Grace, or WickedBinge's video Steven Universe Pink Diamond Worst Deeds, cause they are WAY better at explaining why Pink Diamond is such a terrible character than me.

Categories That Best Describe This Character

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Summary by Trevor807

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OverNineThousandTimesAwesome (talkcontribs)

The categories may be too small for you to see, but I can see them myself.

Since niche-audience characters are allowed now

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Mickey Mouse (talkcontribs)

I want to make a page out of Thomas the Tank Engine (Series-12-16), there was once a page, but it got deleted, should I recreate it or get the admins to restore it?

Portrock1566 (talkcontribs)

I'd restore if I had the chance.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)
Yardman2001 (talkcontribs)

Wait Thomas was flandernized wow I guess even the lengendiry tank engline went down hill

There's a troll on the loose.

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SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Some troll on this wiki has been uploading pages with offensive names like "THE N***A", "THE F**K", "IMMA CLOG UP THIS WIKI HAHAHA" and "WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE F**KING SAY AND LOVES TO SPRAY S**T IN YOUR A******". Thankfully those pages have been deleted, but the troll who uploaded them has yet to be blocked, or even globalled.