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    This page is a mess with it's examples.

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    339Breakingoof (talkcontribs)

    I mean what's with any character from series examples they don't explain anything and are just bloating the page not to mention this page needs more cleaning.

    The Super MarioBobFan Bros. Movie (talkcontribs)

    I might help with the examples.

    339Breakingoof (talkcontribs)

    OK then add some reasoning's to the ones that don't have ones already and make sure that it isn't biased or it will be removed. '

    Supermanjustin113 (talkcontribs)

    The page on Karma Houdinis also has just as many examples, and you're not complaining about that?

    339Breakingoof (talkcontribs)

    Supermanjustin113 the butt monkeys examples are worse than karma houndini page examples because first of all this has the most out of any page with about 82k bites on its own. While karma houndini with all of the page bites is about 48k bites which is not as big of an issue as butt monkeys. 2nd of all the examples don't have as much no explanation as butt monkeys. so look at a page before talking about something you don't know about as it will save you some time before talking to other people about issues.

    Supermanjustin113 (talkcontribs)

    fair enough

    Some thoughts I've had on this trope

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    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    I've had some thoughts about this trope and page for a while. I could be wrong about some things but let me explain...

    1. This may not be a popular view but I am not actually convinced that this trope does more harm than good. I cannot think of any examples of this trope making a character more unlikeable or loathsome. I do think the other tropes of Flanderization, Karma Houdini, and Character Derailment can be applied in a positive way, but the majority of the time they are detrimental to the characters.

    2. Being a butt-monkey is not inheritably a bad quality and is done for comedy. It can make the character funnier as well as more likable, relatable, and sympathetic. It is a bad thing when this trait is overdone or poorly written whenever the instances are not justifiable nor entertaining to watch.

    3. This page makes it look like butt-monkeys are the victims are karma houndinis. This is partially true, however, butt-monkeys can be victims of other butt-monkeys (eg Courage the Cowardly Dog & Eustace Bagge) or butt-monkeys are just victims of bad luck without other characters involved.

    4. As for the list of characters that used to be on this page, aside from being way too long, it had many likeable characters on it and did a poor job with explaining its positive examples.

    5. It is juvenile to think that a character going through any kind of misfortune is automatically a butt-monkey. By that logic, nearly every person that has ever lived IRL is a butt-monkey.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    On the contrary, I do think this trope is too commonplace in cartoons to the point of being frustrating. Just about every cartoon that I can think of that has a young male protagonist, chances are he's a butt-monkey and there's at least one episode where his abuse is taken too far. Yet, the excessive abuse should cause viewers to hate the episode or media, not the character.

    Brazilian User (talkcontribs)

    I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

    Block GrantHughYour

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    Brazilian User (talkcontribs)

    He keeps adding Mugman (although the page is a blog) to the list of Karmic Butt-Monkeys. It's like this: I take Mugman, he puts Mugman, I take Mugman and he puts Mugman. Also, he was rude and disrespectful to me.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    And calling me a toxic Mugman fan is obvious trolling because I’ve never played Cuphead or watched the TV series, and this is the wrong wiki for creating a page about a character you’re a fan of.

    Brazilian User (talkcontribs)

    IKR

    I'm GrantHughYour and I'm an idiot who should be blocked!

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    I feel like this page should be deleted

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    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    Nobody has addressed my previous topic I posted here and there is only 1 pointer provided for “The Overall Reason Why This Trope Sucks” while there are more Redeeming Qualities.

    ExploringEditor (talkcontribs)

    Well, I say we can fix that

    Brazilian User (talkcontribs)

    Calm down, Suppai, it doesn't make sense to improve the page instead of deleting it.?

    Brazilian User (talkcontribs)

    And about your previous topic, I have to disagree with you, Suppai. A Butt-Monkey can be, yes, worse than some flanderizations and character derailments, as it is a very repetitive cliché and the writers are too lazy to write something well-written.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    I’ve given this page many months for it to be improved and just now we’re fixing it

    I am not convinced that this trope does more harm than good, regarding how likable the character is, and the Butt-Monkey page doesn’t convince me with how it’s written now.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    Additionally, we have many characters that warrant a page on this wiki because of flanderization and or character derailment, but not in fhe same way for this butt-monkey trope.

    The Super MarioBobFan Bros. Movie (talkcontribs)

    No because this page is way too iconic to be deleted.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    I'm not planning to delete it now despite my views on the trope.

    Can someone please remove the protection from this page?

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    The Super MarioBobFan Bros. Movie (talkcontribs)

    Because of the fact that it is never a good idea to protect pages to administrators only indefinitely. And keep in mind that the massive lists should be added back as it was massive plus this page is supposed to be a really long page.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    I am planning to unprotect the page so you may edit it soon. But first let's be clear about one thing. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY Making an extremely long list of characters without explanations and including numerous and irrelevant examples only makes the page worse.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    One may observe that the Flanderization page, while it is excessively long, actually gives explanations to most of the examples on this page. So for that page, it would be bad to remove the 'massive list' but some of the weaker examples should be removed.

    The Super MarioBobFan Bros. Movie (talkcontribs)

    OK.

    Becarbone (talkcontribs)

    I know me and other users can’t edit on the page anymore, but I am planning on adding examples to a lot of the characters in a google doc

    The Super MarioBobFan Bros. Movie (talkcontribs)

    Keep in mind that's what I thought too.

    Has Resident Evil used this trope for its characters or no?

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    AkihitoZero5454 (talkcontribs)

    Just wondering if it has or not.

    Yūki (talkcontribs)

    I'm not very familiar with the Resident Evil franchise.

    I was thinking of arranging the names in alphabetical order.

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    Yūki (talkcontribs)

    I just find the list too unorganized and easy to get lost.

    Suppai (talkcontribs)

    I dislike all of the long-ass lists of characters without explanations on these pages. The pages for Karma Houdini and The Scrappy are better with their explanations.

    ExploringEditor (talkcontribs)

    Right.

    JillianeCobre (talkcontribs)

    What about the trope "Hilariously Abusive Childhood" and the excuse "We had an extreme comic-relief parents"? It's part of the cause of "Butt-Monkey" figure.

    ExploringEditor (talkcontribs)

    Somewhat. It focuses on comedy mainly.

    JillianeCobre (talkcontribs)

    I know, but please can you make the trope and excuse please without me? Please.

    ExploringEditor (talkcontribs)

    You mean in the same page or a completely different page??

    MichaelSali (talkcontribs)

    Go. :)

    JillianeCobre (talkcontribs)

    Can you put Frank Heffley on this wiki along with Susan? Because he is also a butt-monkey, but he is also a Karma Houdini as Manny and a very bad parent to Greg and Rodrick. And also, he is a deadbeat and misogynistic father. And please don't delete page when I create for. Please! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_K-FDeRmes&t=291s

    Draco Lumina (talkcontribs)

    Suggestion: Arrange the list into a A-Z list format with Alphabetical subheadings.

    JillianeCobre (talkcontribs)

    I'm sorry guys, I'm just helping you to put more hated characters and tropes page is that. It's your turn to make it.

    My list of butt monkeys

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    TheBananaSplitsandMarxKirbyFan298ruru (talkcontribs)

    Red and Yellow (Larva, though the former usually has it coming) Bubble (BFB) Man-Arctica (Fanboy and Chum-Chum) Stimpy (Ren and Stimpy) Branch (Trolls) Bridget (Trolls) Gantu (Lilo and Stitch) Rick/Richard (Unikitty, constantly called boring) Master Frown (Unikitty) Wubbzy (Wow! Wow! Wubbzy, a few times.) Buggy (Wow wow wubbzy) Dr. Scratchnsniff (Animaniacs)

    Missing boi (talkcontribs)

    I think these should be added:

    • Red and Yellow (Larva, Seasons 1-3)
    • Chuck (Larva)
    • Lenny Flynn-Boyle (Fanboy and Chum Chum)
    • Wile E. Coyote (Looney Tunes)
    • Elmer Fudd (Looney Tunes)
    • Yosemite Sam (Looney Tunes)
    • Sylvester (Looney Tunes)
    • Ralph E. Wolf (Looney Tunes)
    • Bentley (Taffy)
    • Robin (Teen Titans GO!)
    TheBananaSplitsandMarxKirbyFan298ruru (talkcontribs)

    Maybe Add Widget?

    USDM420X (talkcontribs)

    King Pig (Angry Birds/Angry Birds Toons, he somewhat deserves it)

    Missing in this page...

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    DearMaster6 (talkcontribs)

    Hey! I think some more of them which is even punching bags or something are missing. I think this needed to be added:

    • Kurochan (Cyborg kuro-chan)
    • Clone Gandhi (Clone High)
    • Clone JFK (Clone High)
    • Clone Abe (Clone High)
    • Principal Scudworth (Clone High)
    • Brendon Small (Home Movies)
    • Jason Penopolis (Home Movies)
    • Walter and Perry (Home Movies)
    • Coach John McGuirk (Home Movies)
    • Numbuh 2 (Codename: Kids Next Door)
    • Numbuh 3 (Codename: Kids Next Door)
    • Numbuh 4 (Codename: Kids Next Door)
    • James the Cat
    • Mr. Bump (Mr. Men; also on the 2008 series for The Mr. Men Show)
    • Max (Max & Ruby)
    • Ruby (Max & Ruby)
    • Franklin
    • Bear (Franklin)
    • Snail (Franklin)
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